about america's involvement in iraq and afghanistan and he carried around a card, remember, geraldo, that this is basically, you know, with jihadist brand line on it. okay. let's not forget that. >> i'm not forgetting anything. did i argue with o'reilly when hasan massacre happened saying, wait a second, is he truly motivated by his radical religious politics or is he just a nut job? in this case i think it will become clear because of who he was targeting that he is indeed a homegrown domestic terrorist. i caution everybody. in 2009, the same year that hasan killed 13 of our dear g.i.'s at fort hood, earlier that year a sergeant named john russell, a white guy from texas killed five of his fellow g.i.'s in baghdad. so, you know, we don't call him a texas terrorist or a christian terrorist. we have to be very careful. >> laura: you still think we don't have a problem with radicalization of men, mostly men, in the united states who have made their way into, you know, these very important positions, who carry and harbor grudges and have plans for maiming and destroying american lives.